Topic

*snit*

Where my MERCH at?

I have seen the crab shirt.  I recently also saw a Rook shirt (hoo boy was it cool).  

Now, all I wanna see is MY T-SHIRT. MY COFFEE MUG. MY BABY ONESIE. MY LAPTOP STICKER.  MY KEYCHAIN THINGY.  MY COMMEMORATIVE PLATE WITH LACQUERED WOOD TABLETOP EASEL.

My etc, etc...

Posted 13 years ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • +1  don't forget the mouse pad or the plush toys ;)
    Posted 13 years ago by ~Pink Flamingo~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Never BB, never 

    Not so blantantly but a t-shirt would be nice. Especially if they were not the one-shape-fits-all(males) type
    Posted 13 years ago by Ani Laurel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +Pi.

    Want my schwag.
    Posted 13 years ago by jasbo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Grr and pirates want their loot too.
    Posted 13 years ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • booty*
    Posted 13 years ago by siulyeoj Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes! A t-shirt! I was actually just thinking of knitting up a version of my Glitch avatar, but a shirty-shirt for meeee would be great.
    Posted 13 years ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i just want to own an item that proclaims to the world that i know someone named "voluptua sneezelips".
    Posted 13 years ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LOL...thanks for the compliment, flask! You're too kind.
    <kowtows>
    Posted 13 years ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well siulyeoj I did think of the word booty but wasn't sure if it would be misunderstood.  LOL
    Posted 13 years ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How about something like this:
    http://basketcasesoftware.com/glitch/tshirt.html

    Did this up just for this thread. :)
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i am totally uninterested in generic merchandise.

    i am totally interested in customizable merchandize.

    personal avatars on magnets, stickers, mugs, shirts, tote-bags etc. .. friends list driven page a day calendar and so on..

    but a t-shirt that just says "Glitch" on it? meh.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nanookie, I missed the Rook T-shirt pic. Could you post a link please?
    Posted 13 years ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What I REALLY want is an uncommon cover for my phone with jasbo on it in a Salatu street with a tree and a view of one of the fjords.
    Posted 13 years ago by jasbo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I would prefer if it was more things in Glitch as opposed to just "Glitch", similar to the crab and rook shirt that say Glitch on it but it isn't the focus of the shirt. I'm not a huge fan of having my avatar on a shirt...maybe a sticker/keychain though. Meh I don't really know until I see it though.
    Posted 13 years ago by Gabi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • STUFFED ROOK! ALL HAIL OUR PLUSHY OVERLORDS!
    Posted 13 years ago by Sir Poox Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Huh? The image I did had my Glitch on it, name and all with the "Glitch" game logo in the front and the Glitch game logo and slogan in the back.

    The link I provided shows that custom shirt. click on it and it rotates to show both front and back.
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Folkian Fool, yes, we are aware that images can be uploaded to cafepress type sites and linked to from forum posts.

    the desire is for a something personalized with your own avatar in a couple of clicks, using avatar image at proper resolution for printing at high quality, not some fuzzy pixelated cheap looking 3rd party thing.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Huh? The image I did had my Glitch on it, name and all with the "Glitch" game logo in the front and the Glitch game logo and slogan in the back."

    i wasn't referring to you in my first post here. at all.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also having it be through TinySpeck...there has already (if I recall correctly) been an incident of someone selling merchandise on cafepress and TinySpeck had to get involved.

    FF I know this wasn't your intention, I don't think, but I just thought it should be put out there...

    Maybe Kukubee will create something :D
    Posted 13 years ago by Gabi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Maybe Kukubee will create something :D"

    that would be awesome.

    perhaps he could design a special continuous level background with buildings and stuff that could wrap completely [seamlessly?] around a shirt or a mug, into which your own personal avatar could be placed.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ummm. That was the professional image by a professional t-shirt company. I embedded their previewed image (which get further correction and clarification by their onsite art team before production. And before I sent them the avatar image I ran it through a professional grade image editor. At my end the picture looks sharp and not pixelated in the least.

    Also the page is hosted on my own company's site.  How do you conclude I used a "cafepress" type site? Or linked from a forum post? That's a pretty overdrawn conclusion there. Anyone who linked at the URL closely would not have made such an error. All you just did was make yourself come off looking foolish and arrogant. I know you to be a skilled professional that I have spoken highly of to other. You can do better than that.
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • dude, you took an auto-generated widget made using this cafepress like site - http://www.customink.com/ - and embedded in on a static html page on your site. which you linked to from this forum post.

    you used a 172 pixel tall icon generated by glitch to generate said design, which would look like absolute garbage printed that large on a t-shirt.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just for the record, that's just a computer generated mock-up of an actual shirt exhibited under "fair use" guidelines. No actual product exists. I had no intention of selling anything. I would not even produce such an actual item without Tiny Speck's direct permission.

    Where does the "Cafe Press" comment keep coming from? I think I've been to the maybe once or twice, and only by following a link from someone else. 
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i can print out and order that t-shirt right now by going to here http://www.customink.com/lab/?E=richard@basketcasesoftware.com&F=glitchdemo&cm_ven=widget&cm_cat=Ver01&cm_pla=thisdesign&cm_ite=glitchdemo and ordering it. it isn't a mock-up, it a live design on a cafepress type custom t-shirt website.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I did indeed use their widget. :) I also used the 172 pixel png  image which I ran through a professional photo editor to enlarge it to a more reasonable size, then went over the resulting image and cleaned up artifacts. Portable Network Graphics images scale pretty well. I'd have made even more effort but it was supposed to be a general mock-up and not a final end product. I'm not, nor did I imply that I was trying to sell this. I just wanted to see if this rough design would be along the lines of what people would want. The rest I'd leave up to Tiny Speck. 
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Indeed you could order it. But until someone actually orders it, it does not actually exist as a real article - it remains a computer generated mock-up. The company in question even clearly states that the displayed designs are not final and will undergo further touchup for quality purposes. I'm not about to order it. Not without direct, clear permission from Tiny Speck. My actions were an attempt at creating an object for speculative purpose. Be my guest and order it, but I'm not liable for your actions. :p
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ack, way to derail my *snit*

    @Sheperdmoon, the image I saw wasn't for public consumption, but maybe someone on TS staff could just put one on and get a snap up on Flickr for us.  Except I suspect it's not a t-shirt that will be for sale.  Why?

    BECAUSE THERE AIN'T NUFFIN' FOR SALE.

    *re-snit*
    Posted 13 years ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I also used the 172 pixel png  image which I ran through a professional photo editor to enlarge it to a more reasonable size, then went over the resulting image and cleaned up artifacts. Portable Network Graphics images scale pretty well."

    that's .. you honestly believe a 172 pixel image can scale up to almost a foot high .. wow.

    it looks like smudgy garbage even scaled up to 245 pixels on the link i just posted.

    and that's the whole point. Tiny Speck has Artists. Tiny Speck has Designers. Tiny Speck has customer credit card numbers and the ability to create quality interfaces for Customer customization. Tiny Speck totally has the capability to render it professionally, put it into a professional layout, and produce a t-shirt that isn't 172 pixels of smudgy garbage.

    so long as we only have access to 172 pixel images of our avatars, no one else has that any possibility of producing quality 3rd party merchandise based on Glitch artwork and avatars... and even if we DID have access to high quality renders of the avatars it isn't really fair to Tiny Speck to pester them for permission to sell merchandise without sharing the profits with them.

    and that's why there's topics like this one. anyone here can drag and drop the avatar from their profile page into a cafe press template and fire off their own crappy personal merch. that's been possible for... well, years .. it is trivially easy. it isn't what is being asked for here. what people want is officially sanctioned, high quality, creatively designed and professionally produced merchandise from Glitch itself, with the money going to the artists behind the artwork.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Nanookie - if I derailed you have my apologies :) 
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So, how about them snits? very cool
    Posted 13 years ago by Tingly Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So Tiny Speck has a built in customer base ready to buy Glitch merchandise plus the capability of creating the art work on the easily already manufactured items such as t-shirts, coffee mugs and stuffed toys.  There also has been discussions of Tiny Specks needing larger cash flow.

    So why isn't this a done deal?  

    I love buying brand names because you get quality merchandise, simply because that company's name is on the logo.  Knockoffs don't give a damn about customer service or quality items.  They are just making money off someone else's good name illegally.

    Maybe I should put my application in to Tiny Speck as general merchandise manager.  I have experience at the retail level and loved the job.
    Posted 13 years ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There won't be a big need for merch until Xmas season.  It can wait a little longer, just long enough to get hired.
    Posted 13 years ago by Tingly Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Tingles, my birthday is in October.  At the beginning of it!

    ETA: Thanks, FF, I appreciate that!
    Posted 13 years ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • SNIT!

    It will happen!! There is even someone working here now, finally, whose job it is (though it is not especially high on their list of priorities yet).
    Posted 13 years ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sure I believe a 172 pixel image can scale up a foot high - depends on the original image and method of compression. Vector graphics vs bitmap images, etc. There ARE some fuzzy artifacts at the edges of the shirt that I never bothered to clean up because I thought they made it look more "sweater-like", but the rest of the lines are clean. with no aliasing The link you posted is pixelated due to the process used to make that image  The textures I could have smoothed out more better too but, again, I decided for a simple mock-up intended for amusement purposes only that that level of effort and attention was unneeded.  You didn't see the original image I used, you only assumed its appearance from a poorly re-scaled version. 

    This whole thing was me trying to put a smile on the face of the poster here:
    Yes! A t-shirt! I was actually just thinking of knitting up a version of my Glitch avatar, but a shirty-shirt for meeee would be great.
    Posted 3 hr ago by Voluptua Sneezelips  | Permalink

    I found their description of such a project cute and amusing; an inspiration to play. Which is what I did. I'm a published artist and writer; I'm quite familiar with the issues of trademark, copyright and other intellectual property interests, as well as the concept of "fair use". I didn't try to sell anything or promote any company (at least not intentionally - giving credit to the company for use of their generated images according to their terms is part of fair use).

    Sorry about the 'jack again there, @Nanookie. :)
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @stoot barfield - OH! COOL! Oh. for the record, in that case I think $50.00 is a fair price for a custom t-shirt.  Does that help?
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Woot! You know what I really want? Real-Life Music Blocks. Please make these!
    Posted 13 years ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "It will happen!! There is even someone working here now, finally, whose job it is (though it is not especially high on their list of priorities yet)."

    In other words, "Soon..."

    Thanks for the update, stoot.
    Posted 13 years ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Awww! Thanks FF. I thought it was a neat idea, and it's cool that it inspired you to play. It was great already that you were mucking around with the idea of a shirt, but it's flattering that my squealy reaction to Nanookie's snit led to your efforts. :)
    Posted 13 years ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Voluptua Sneezelips - I love doing graphical work. And making happy squealing even happier. Oh, and like I did for shucks and giggles, TS will probably outsource the actual production to a specialist company like what I found. I've done this for my business... I've gotten so much free schwag that way! With my company name - love it!
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Now a personalized t-shirt with your avi on it might be a great reason to subscribe.....
    Posted 13 years ago by Xyrem Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't need any further excuse except a lack of immediate cash for it, but I'd be happy to pay than number I quoted above extra once I can get such a subscription just for such a personalized product. 
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I wanna buy a stoot doll where after you pull the string in its back, it says 'soon' and makes the meditation fail sound.
    Posted 13 years ago by Tingly Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I want a creamer boat, in the shape of a butterfly, for my coffee :)
    Posted 13 years ago by sgjo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey just checked out your green t shirt Fokian Fool, nice job.  Did you actually make and wear it or is it just a picture of what you could make? 

     Lots of imaginative people here in Glitch and it sounds like they all want something "special", which could make it very hard to do.  

    BF only had one stupid stuffed fish Felix and outsourced it to China so everyone was always complaining about waiting 3 months or longer for delivery.

    There has to be a happy medium (nope not a fortune teller or cookie) for variety in merchandise so as to avoid the one trick pony with no choice at all.
    Posted 13 years ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, it's just a picture I made it through a specialty t-shirt company's web site. Apparently there are other sites that do similar things, but I found myself quite impressed with this one. I wouldn't actually do this for real without Tiny Speck's ok first. Their editor had an impressive range of options and, apparently, the company does extra editing afterwards to make for a more quality work. Getting the "Glitch" logo and my avatar's image was all me of course. Obviously I COULD have something like this made, but I don't think it's appropriate. I'd rather see what TS comes up with first.

    I appreciate the compliment though. Thanks.
    Posted 13 years ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Sure I believe a 172 pixel image can scale up a foot high - depends on the original image and method of compression."

    i'm not going to belabour this point beyond this response, because "someone is wrong on the internet" .. but dude .. you're talking about 15 dots per inch. that's nuts. for your own future benefit, if you want to do any further work in print, you're going to need to educate yourself. there are actual industry standards for this kind of thing. no joke!

    to put 10 DPI into perspective, here are the cafepress recommendations for image resolution:

    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/index.aspx?area=images&page=help_images#res

    selecting the cafe press guidelines because their bread and butter is custom printed t-shirts, and that's what we are talking about here.

    "Resolution is what determines if your pictures look "chunky" when you print them. All computer pictures are made up of small dots. Resolution is how many dots in an inch, often referred to as DPI or "Dots Per Inch". Your computer monitor generally displays at 72 DPI while a printer usually prints at 300 to over 1000 DPI. What looks good on your screen will not necessarily look good printed. Luckily, apparel is not exactly photo-paper, and the naturally un-smooth nature of cloth hides some resolution issues. But not all! When you create a picture you will want to follow the guidelines presented in the Image Resolution Guidelines (see chart below), specific to each product. For the most part, pictures should be between 100 and 300 DPI to print well on the products you sell."

    to put that into perspective, the cafepress *minimum* recommended pixel density is *6 times* that of a 172 pixel image printed at 12" tall.

    but you say ..

    "cafepress is being overly cautious about quality, as always! they are notoriously fanatical about the quality of the products on their site. my source file is a PNG. surely that will magically compensate for at least 75 dpi. plus anyone who plays glitch is going to have horrible body odor from staying in front of the computer , and no one is going to want to stand near enough to the shirt to notice the low resolution"

    fair enough. let's find out exactly how stinky glitch players need to be for a 10 dpi print to work.

    fortunately enough, there is a research paper on the subject. no, not "Personal Odor as a Variable in Social Proximity to Glitch Players", but something far less interesting.. "Viewing Distance as a Variable in Discerning Grayscale Halftone Dots at Varying Screen Frequencies"

    you can read it here .. http://atmae.org/jit/Articles/waite032906.pdf .. it is really quite fascinating.

    now this doesn't map exactly to necessary pixel resolution of source files, since we are talking about screenprints and LPI, but it does give a good understanding of the level of detail that the human eye can recognize at various distances, and makes sense for our purposes since t-shirts are often screen printed.

    at distances shorter than 16 feet, people will notice dots in screen prints under 18 lines per inch. generally speaking, 1.5 to 2 times the pixels per inch are required per line per inch, which is to say that a t-shirt with an image printed at 15dpi is most certainly look increasingly crappy beginning at distances of *at least* 16 feet. btw, this is using the most forgiving criteria available. don't blame me, blame science.

    so your typical glitch player is going to need an average "stank radius" of 16 feet, accounting for wind conditions, in order for a 15dpi image to look sharp on their t-shirt.
    Posted 13 years ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well said, sir!
    Posted 13 years ago by FlirtyvonSexenhaven Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I want stick on abs and chest hair in a variety of colours 
    xD
    Posted 13 years ago by Ebil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh...and I'd love a piggy coaster holder that contains coasters that look like piggy meat!

    OMG!! This is too much fun! Loving this thread!!
    Posted 13 years ago by sgjo Subscriber! | Permalink
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